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TOPIC : Allah kahaan hain (Ain Allah).

MUNAZIR AHL-E-HADITH aur unka AQEEDA :
Allah arsh par mustawi hai.

MUNAZIR DEOBAND aur unka AQEEDA :
Allah har jagah hai
Allah la mahdood hai
Allah la makan hai
Allah zehat se paak hai
Allah jisam se paak hai.

[8:32pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: assalamu alaikum
[8:34pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: molana vitrul.sahab hamari taraf se jawab na aane par apka ek sathi bol sakta hai bator tambih k
[8:36pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: molana vitrul sahab hamara aqida hai

(ALLAH HAR JAGAH HAI
LAA MAHDOOD HAI
LAA MAKAN HAI
JISM SE PAAK HAI
JEHAT SE PAAK HAI)

OR JESA K AAPKA AQIDA HAI K ALLAH ARSH PAR HAI TO MERA AQIDA YE HAI
K JO ALLAH KO ARSH PAR NA MANE WO KAFIR HAI

HAM ALLAH KO APNE DAWE K AITBAR SE QURAAN KI IN AAYAT KI BINA MANTE HEN

ALLAH TA ALA NE QURAN KARIM ME IRSHAD FARMAYE

1,MAGAR WO UNKE SATH HOTA HAI KHAAH WO KAHIN BHI HON (ALHADEED :4)

2,MAGAR WO SATH HI HOTA HAI JAHAN BHI WO HON (ALMUJADILAH:7)

3,OR HAM USKI RAG E JAAN SE BHI ZIYADA USSE QAREEB HAIN (SURAH QAAF:16)

4,JAB MERE BANDE MERE BARE ME AAP SE SAWAL KAREN TO AAP KAH DEN K MAIN BAHUT HI QAREEB HU (ALBAQARAH:186)

5,OR ALLAH (WAHDAHU LA SHARIK) HI K LIYE HAIN MASHRIQ BHI OR MAGHRIB BHI SO TUM JIDHAR BHI RUKH KAROGE WAHAN ALLAH KI ZAAT (AQDAS W AALA) KO PAOGE BE SHAK ALLAH BADI WUSAT WALA NIHAYAT HI ILM WALA HAI (ALBAQARAH: 115)

6,SHARMATE HAIN LOGO SE OR NAHI SHARMATE ALLAH SE OR WO UNKE SATH HAI JAB K MASHWARA KARTE HEN RAT KO IS BAT KA JISSE ALLAH RAZI NAHI, OR JO KUCH WO KARTE HEN SAB ALLAH K QABU ME HAI (AN NISAA: 108)

7, OR WAHI ALLAH HAI AASMANO ME OR ZAMEEN ME, JANTA HAI TUMHARA CHIPA OR KHULA, OR JANTA HAI JO KUCH TUM KARTE HO ( AL ANAAM:4)

8, BESHAK MERA RAB QAREEB OR DUAAO KA QUBOOL KARNE WALA HAI (HOOD:11)

9, WO BADA HI SUNNE WALA OR BAHUT HI QAREEB HAI (SABA :50)

10,IR WAHI HAO JO AASMAN ME BHI QABIL E IBADAT HAI OR ZAMEEN ME BHI QABIL E IBADAT HAI -DALIL LATE HEN (AZ ZUKHRUF:84)

11, WO BADA MAHARBAN ARSH PAR QAYAM HUA (TAHA :5)

12, ALLAH HI TO HAI JISNE AASMANO OR ZAMEEN KO OR JO CHIZEN IN DONO ME HAIN SABKO 6 DIN ME PEDA KIYA FIR ARSH PAR JA THAHRA (SAJDAH :4 , HADEED :4)

13,NAHI HAI US TARAH KA KOI (SHOORA:11)

14, WAHI HAI JISNE UTARI TUJH PAR KITAB USME BAAZ AYETEN HAI MUHAKKAM ( JINKE MANI WAZEH HAIN) OR WO ASAL HAIN KITAB KI, OR DUSRI HAIN MUSHABEH (JINKE MANI MALOOM YA MUAIYAN NAHI) SO JIN K DILO ME KAJI HAI WO PERWI KARTE HEN MUTASHABIHAT KI GUMRAHI FELANE KI GHARZ SE, OR MATLAB MALUM KARNE KI WAJAH SE, OR UNKA MATLAB KOI NAHI JANTA SIWA ALLAH K OR MAZBUT ILM WALE KAHTE HEN HAM IS PAR YAQIN LAYE SAB HAMARE RAB KI TARAF SE UTRI HAIN OR SAMJHANE SE WAHI SAMAJHTE HEN JINKO AQAL HAI (AAL E IMRAN :7)
[8:36pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: MOLANA HAMARA AQIDA DAWA YE HAI
OR DALAIL BHI KALAMULLAH SE
RADD KARE
[10:14pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: g hazrat meri or molana vitrul sahab ki bedate hai or beech me msgs dene wala remive kar diya jayega aisi sharte hain jo me fir se dal deta hu 
[10:14pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: or kisi sathi ki riyayat nahi hogi
[10:16pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: munazra sharait rules – sharte suno debate ki
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1,koi bhi kisi ki zat par ya ulamao par badkalami nahi karega siwaye aitraz or difa k

2,debate ham hamare 4 usool me karege tum tumhare 2 usool me

3,debate 2 msgs par rahegi teeara msg fizool.mana jayega

4,kisi bhi fariq ki taraf se bolne wale ko remove kiya jayega

5, kisi ko help k liye yaha msgs nahi dena rsnl.me is kaam ko karen

6,dino fariq ko jawab lane ka do din ka waqt diya jayega 3re din jawab na lane wala shikast kha jayega

7, jo jawab na la sakega wo shikast likhega or apna moqaf chod dega sambe qawake k moqaf ko ikhtiyar karna hoga

9,debate islaah ki niyat se hogi badkalami ya fizool bat karne wala batil mana jayega sirf sawal jawab honge

10, topic se hatne wala sidha jawab na dene wala shikast khayga

ab islah chahne wale ko ye sharte manzoor hongi
or munafiq isme apne aap ko fasa hua payega

fesla apke hath me hai
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[10:18pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: hamafa jawab na aane par unka ek sathi tambih kar sakta hai

unka jawab na aane par hamara ek sathi bas

baqi sab debate dekhege insha allah

yaha se hamari debate ahuru hoti hai koi.msg na de ab
[10:18pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: molana vitrul sahab hamara aqida hai

(ALLAH HAR JAGAH HAI
LAA MAHDOOD HAI
LAA MAKAN HAI
JISM SE PAAK HAI
JEHAT SE PAAK HAI)

OR JESA K AAPKA AQIDA HAI K ALLAH ARSH PAR HAI TO MERA AQIDA YE HAI
K JO ALLAH KO ARSH PAR NA MANE WO KAFIR HAI

HAM ALLAH KO APNE DAWE K AITBAR SE QURAAN KI IN AAYAT KI BINA MANTE HEN

ALLAH TA ALA NE QURAN KARIM ME IRSHAD FARMAYE

1,MAGAR WO UNKE SATH HOTA HAI KHAAH WO KAHIN BHI HON (ALHADEED :4)

2,MAGAR WO SATH HI HOTA HAI JAHAN BHI WO HON (ALMUJADILAH:7)

3,OR HAM USKI RAG E JAAN SE BHI ZIYADA USSE QAREEB HAIN (SURAH QAAF:16)

4,JAB MERE BANDE MERE BARE ME AAP SE SAWAL KAREN TO AAP KAH DEN K MAIN BAHUT HI QAREEB HU (ALBAQARAH:186)

5,OR ALLAH (WAHDAHU LA SHARIK) HI K LIYE HAIN MASHRIQ BHI OR MAGHRIB BHI SO TUM JIDHAR BHI RUKH KAROGE WAHAN ALLAH KI ZAAT (AQDAS W AALA) KO PAOGE BE SHAK ALLAH BADI WUSAT WALA NIHAYAT HI ILM WALA HAI (ALBAQARAH: 115)

6,SHARMATE HAIN LOGO SE OR NAHI SHARMATE ALLAH SE OR WO UNKE SATH HAI JAB K MASHWARA KARTE HEN RAT KO IS BAT KA JISSE ALLAH RAZI NAHI, OR JO KUCH WO KARTE HEN SAB ALLAH K QABU ME HAI (AN NISAA: 108)

7, OR WAHI ALLAH HAI AASMANO ME OR ZAMEEN ME, JANTA HAI TUMHARA CHIPA OR KHULA, OR JANTA HAI JO KUCH TUM KARTE HO ( AL ANAAM:4)

8, BESHAK MERA RAB QAREEB OR DUAAO KA QUBOOL KARNE WALA HAI (HOOD:11)

9, WO BADA HI SUNNE WALA OR BAHUT HI QAREEB HAI (SABA :50)

10,IR WAHI HAO JO AASMAN ME BHI QABIL E IBADAT HAI OR ZAMEEN ME BHI QABIL E IBADAT HAI -DALIL LATE HEN (AZ ZUKHRUF:84)

11, WO BADA MAHARBAN ARSH PAR QAYAM HUA (TAHA :5)

12, ALLAH HI TO HAI JISNE AASMANO OR ZAMEEN KO OR JO CHIZEN IN DONO ME HAIN SABKO 6 DIN ME PEDA KIYA FIR ARSH PAR JA THAHRA (SAJDAH :4 , HADEED :4)

13,NAHI HAI US TARAH KA KOI (SHOORA:11)

14, WAHI HAI JISNE UTARI TUJH PAR KITAB USME BAAZ AYETEN HAI MUHAKKAM ( JINKE MANI WAZEH HAIN) OR WO ASAL HAIN KITAB KI, OR DUSRI HAIN MUSHABEH (JINKE MANI MALOOM YA MUAIYAN NAHI) SO JIN K DILO ME KAJI HAI WO PERWI KARTE HEN MUTASHABIHAT KI GUMRAHI FELANE KI GHARZ SE, OR MATLAB MALUM KARNE KI WAJAH SE, OR UNKA MATLAB KOI NAHI JANTA SIWA ALLAH K OR MAZBUT ILM WALE KAHTE HEN HAM IS PAR YAQIN LAYE SAB HAMARE RAB KI TARAF SE UTRI HAIN OR SAMJHANE SE WAHI SAMAJHTE HEN JINKO AQAL HAI (AAL E IMRAN :7)
[10:18pm, 17/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: MOLANA HAMARA AQIDA DAWA YE HAI
OR DALAIL BHI KALAMULLAH SE
RADD KARE
[10:57am, 18/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab bhia:
Ye koi debate ka , munazare ka bahas ka tareeqa nahee huwa bhai.

Aap ne to poora ek article hi likh diya. Kya aise bahas hoti hai?

Maine to sirf aap ka aqeeda padha hai, neeche ke dalail nahee padhe. Bhai agar aise hi bahas karni thi to aap muzhe ek kitab ka scan de dete aur main aap ko ek kitab ka scan de deta, fir kya hai, aap ghar mein baithe, padhate raho, aur idhar main padh leta hoon….nahee bhai aise bahas nahee hoti.

Kya tumhare dalail muzhe nahee maloom? Ya mere aqeede ke dalail tumhein nahee maloom?…sab kuch to maloom hai.

Debate mein Asal dekhana ye hota hai ke aap ktine paani mein hain aur main kitne paani mein? Bahas mein dono fareeqaen ki samazh dekhi jaati hai.

Waise bhi aap ko sirf aqeeda likhane ke liye kaha gaya tha, na ke uss ke dalail.

Fir mere likhe huwe aqeede par aap eateraz karenge, aur main aap ke eateraaz ka jawab doonga, aur fir aap ke likhe huwe aqeede par main eateraaz karoonga aur aap uska jawab denege.

Fir is ke baad baari aati hai dalail ki.

Dekha, maine pehle hi kaha tha ke aap ko debate munazare ke baare mein kuch nahee pata hai.

Khair..
Jab dalial ki baari ayegi to ek ek daleel par baat hogi, aap ki daleel ko aap ne kahan tak samazha, aur uska sahee mafhhom kya hai, aur isi tarah meri daleel ko maine kahan takk samazha aur uska sahee mafhoom kya hai. Iss tarah iss masale ka hall hoga janaab.!

Khair…
Pehle ye bateyein ke aap ko mere aqeede par koi eateraaz hai? Aise hi poch raha hoon, halanke aap ne apne pichale post mein iski wazahat kar di hai ke aap bhi mere aqeede ko mante hai. To ye iss tarah ek tarfa mamala hall ho gaya. Ab sirf reh gaya aap ke aqeede par mara eateraaz.

Aap ka aqeeda:
ALLAH HAR JAGAH HAI
LAA MAHDOOD HAI
LAA MAKAN HAI
JISM SE PAAK HAI
JEHAT SE PAAK HAI)

Aap ke iss aqeede mein allah ki zaat ka kahein zikar nahee hai. Mera sawal ye hai ke kya allah ki koi zaat hai? Yani zaati eatebaar se allah maujood hai? Ya fir wo ek sirf khayal ya tasawwur hai? Kyunki jahir si baat hai jo hasti har jagah ho uss par sab se pehla yehi sawal khada hota hai ke kya wo zaat ke eatebaar se maujood hai ya sirf ek taswwuri cheez hai.?

Aap mere inn sawalaun ka jawab dijiye, fir main aap ke dalail ki taraf badhata hoon. Aap ko to muzh se kuch dalail lene hi nahee hai kyunki aap ko mere aqeede par koi eateraz hi nahee hai.

Aap ke jawab ka muntazir..
[11:43am, 18/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: assalamu alaimum

aap apne tamam tariqe chala rahe ho bhai duare ka tariqa apko kisi bhi tarah bhata hi nahi

agar debate me samajh hi dekhi jati hai to to ye tariqa kisne banaya bhai

dawa apne likha mene apna dawa likha apke dawe ka radd bhi sath me likha
ap.e likha allah arsh par hai
mene lonha jo allah ko arsh par na mane to wo kafir hai
apka dawa yaha jata raha 

kyu ye to aapne bhi nahi likha k allah sirf arsh par hai ya la mahdood hai ya mahdood hai aisa to apke daqe me kahi hai bhi nahi

mene pahle hi kaha tha k ab aapko kuch kahna ti nahi apne dawe par to apne inkar kar diya

ab sirf aoka dawa ye tha k allah arsh par hai
to jawab ye hai k qrsh par na manne wala kafir hai
pata chala ya to apma dawa pura nahi tha jeaa k aap apne ko ilm daan or samajh dan sabit karte ho ye kahkar k debate me fariqain ki samajh dekhi jati hai

to ab aapse sawal hai k agar mere daqe me ye nahi tha k allah apni zat k sath hai ya nahi

to apme daqe me ye nahi tha k allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par hai

to sawal ka pahla haq apse banta hai k allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par?
allah mahdood hai ya laa mahdood
[11:49am, 18/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: dusri baat mene apne dalail diye hain aap unke kya maani lete hain khule tarjume se inka radd kijiye aayaat ka

jesa fariq dawa karta hai uspar dalail bhi deta hai dawa bhi diya mene or dalail bhi aap par uska radde amal hona tha naa ki tariqa sikhana or tariqa hi sikhana hai to me kisi aise tariqe ko nahi manta jo lafzi ya zubani ya khud sakhta ho jo jis tariqe ko samjhaye wo ye bhi bataye k ye tariqa waha se liya hai mene

so aapne sawal kiya k mere daqe me tmye bat hai hi nahi k zaat k aitbar se hai ya nahi

to me pahle apke daqe par action lungq k apne apne daqe me ye nahi saf kiya k allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par hai
mahdood hai ya laa mahdood
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[12:22pm, 18/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab bhai:
Aap ko hosh tab aata hai jab samane wala action leta hai, bhai ye to koi baat nahee huwi?

Agar aap ko mere dawe par eateraaz tha, ya mera dawa na mukammal tha, to pehle hi bata dete. Ab maine sawal kiya iska kya matlab hai ke aap bhi sawal karenge?
Are janab, jo karna hai waqt par karna hota hai, ye nahee ke samane wale ki naqal ki jaye.

Main insha allah aap ke saare eateraaz ka jawab doonga. Magar mera jawab milne ke baad. Aap ne to mere sawal ka zikar bhi nahee kiya.

Aap sab se pehle meri naqal karna chore do, aur apna ilm apni samazh batao janab.

Aap mere sawal ka jawab do, kyunki sawal maine pehle kiya hai, aap to ek article likh kar bari uzzimma ho jana chahte the.

Aap jawab do, fir aap apne sawal karo, main jawab doonga, aur fir muzhe koi eateraz hoga to main karoonga.

Aap ko common sense ki cheezaein nahee samazhti hain to kitabi cheezein kahan se samazh mein aayengi.

Maine jo baat kahi hai iss mein kya galat hai? Agar sirf dalail ka transfer karna hi maqsood hota to main aap se bahas hi kyun karta?

Aap kya samazh rahe hain, ke aap ke ssare dalail ka main yu hi jawab de doonga. Nahee janab aise nahee hoga.
Hum ek ek daleel par baat karenge. Aur ye common sense ki baat hai. Kya muzhe ye bhi sabit karna padhega.?

Aap ko yaad hoga, aap ooper ja kar dekhiye ke sirf dawa likhane ki baat huwi thi na ke saare dalail.

Aap ke hi msg ka scan de raha hoon proof ke taur par, zara gaur se dekhiye. Aur yehi baat dusre saathiyaun ne bhi kahi hai ooper ja kar msgs check kijiye.

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[12:24pm, 18/05/2014] Virtual: Ok ab aap likhiye…
[12:45pm, 18/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: kya samje aap is pic me ?

or me fir samjha du molana k hosh or josh ki baten band karke kaam ki bat karo
mene moqa diya tha apko k daqe me kani na rakhe apne fir bhi kami ki
mene fir te msg diye k ye aoka full dawa hai to apne kaha han

fir mene agar aone dawe me kami ki to pahle apke dawe me kami hai use puri karo fir me puri karta hu

kyu k dawa pahle aapka hai to kami bhi aap puri karo

mera dawa bad ka hai to me apke bad kami puri karuga

or rahi apki naqal karne wali baat to bhaai molana hosh mat khoiye apne or debate se farari k msgs mat dihiye

aapko aone dawe ka hosh nahi tha or mene tumhe do bar hosh me lana chaha magar nahi aaye
to aapko jab hosh aaya jab mene apko bataya k tumhare dawe ne kami hai isse pahle to aap bhi behoshi ka injaction liye hue the jagte jab hain jab me do moqe dene k bad pakad leta hu

khet meri debate ki sharto me ye shart thi k bad akhlaqi wala shikast khayega
jisme ye tamam bate hongi
gadha gaay bandar mendak hosh nahi tha josh me mat aao

i mean kisi qism ka aisa lafz istamal nahi kiya jayega

aise bhadde alfazo se ek aalim apna ilm dikhayega to bhaiya aap chale jaye mujhe aapse munazre ka shoq nahi hai

munazra karna hai sidhe tarah se kare

magar me dekhta ye hu k aap zara zara si der me pajame se bahar aana shuru kar dete ho itna dhilankyu badhte ho pajama aap?

tight kijiye zara use

i mean fizool.me na faskar sirf ye bataiye k allah mahdood hai ya laa mahdood

fir me batata hu k allah kis aitbar se har jagah hai
[1:31pm, 18/05/2014] Virtual: Are janab aap ye kya baatein kar rahe hain?

Mera dawa mukammal nahee hai aisa kis ne kaha. Maine to nahee kaha. Yaqeenan aap ne muzhe mutnabba kiya ke dawa poora likhoon, to maine kaha mera dawa poora hai, maine aqeeda poora likha hai.
Maine mere dawe ko na mukammal mana hi kab hai jo aap muzh par eaterraz kar rahe hain, aur muzhe kyun force kar rahe hain ke main apna aqeeda poora likhoon.
Khair aap ke post se to ye maloom ho gaya ke aap ka dawa adhoora hai.

Aur suniye janab, jab takk aap ki aur meri baat cheet ho rahi muzhe koi badkalami nahee hogi illa ye ke koi beech mein aaye aur muzh par tanz kar jaye.

Bhai sab main kisi pajame se bahar nahee nikal raha hoon. Aap meri fikar na karein.

Maine jo pic post ki hai aap ne uss ke baare mein kuch nahee kaha, iska matlab ye huwa ke humari baat yehi huwi thi ke hum log sirf apna apna aqeeda likhenge. Dalail likhane ki baat nahee huwi thi.

Aap mere sawal ka jawab dijiye aur apne adhoore dawe ko bhi poora kijiye.

Mera sawal ye hai:
Allah apni zaat ke eatebaar se maujood hai ya wo sirf ek tasawwur hai?

Ye sawal iss liye hai ke jo tasawwuri cheez hoti hai wo har jagah ho sakti hai. Magar jo hasti zaat ke eatebaar se maujood ho uske talluq se aap ke aqaid kuck kaam nahee aa sakte.

Mere sawal ka jawab dijiye, fir main aap ke saare ishkalat ko hall karoonga eateraz karet huwe.

Aur suniye, maine aap se ye nahee poocha ke allah kis eatebaar se har jagah hai iss liye iska jawab matt dijiye. Muzhe mere sawal ka jawab chahiye.

Ok ab aap likhiye.
[1:54pm, 18/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: mera kahna sirf ye hai ak lambi lambi taqrir se hatkar sirf sawal jawab hon

aap allah ko mahdood mante hen ya la mahdood
[1:57pm, 18/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: rahi bat baat aapka dawa agar wahi pura tha to ye raha radd

jo allah ko arsh par na maane wo kafir hai
[4:17pm, 18/05/2014] Virtual: Sorry bhai, lunch aur namaaz ke baad kuch kaam tha, iss liye deri ho gayi.

Khair..
Janab, lambi lambi taqreer kahaan ho rahi hai? Main to aap ki post ka jawab de raha hoon. Aap ki post mein jitne points hote hain mera msg bhi utna hi lamba hota hai.

Khair…
Abhi bhi aap ne mere sawal ka jawab nahee diya.

Are janab, aap ne mere dawe ka radd kahaan kiya hai? Ye kya keh rahe hain aap?
Aap ka ye jumla mere dawe ko radd mein hai ya mutabiqat (Support) mein. Zara ek baar fir se apne iss zumle ko gaur se padho

” rahi baat aapka dawa agar wahi pura tha to ye raha radd

jo allah ko arsh par na maane wo kafir hai″

Janab. Main to allah ko arsh par hi manta hoon. Main to momin huwa na? Kya aap allah ko arsh par nahee mante? agar aisa hai to apne aqeede ko durust kijiye.

Aakhari baat…
Agar main aap ke sawal ka jawab de doon, to kya aap mere sawal ka jawab denge ya fir koi aur naya sawal khada karoge?

Aap batao fir main jawab deta hoon. Mere jawab par jo eateraz hoga wo baad mein karna aur pehale mera jawab dena…samazhe kuch.
[4:21pm, 18/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab bhai:
Aap ko ek information deni hai.

Main kal aur parso yani 19 aur 20 ko out off hoon. Poona ja raha hoon. Bhanji ki shaadi hai. Please be informed.

Saare group members se bhi yahi gujarish ke main 2 dinn outoff hoon. Bhagne ka koi hukum muzh par na lagaye.
[5:14pm, 18/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: molana vitrul sahab

aapke hisab se mera radd aapke haq me hua to wo radd me na hua

to mene kab kaha k allah arsh par nahi hai ajeeb bat hai jis admi ko mera dawa nahi dikha wo kahta hai k mene radd nahi balki apki suport ki

chalo aap khush ho jao k aapke suport me tha mera msg
jhuti khushi k siwa apke pas kuch nahi

par sawal ab bhi qayam hai mera k tum allah ko mahdood mante ho ya la mahdood

or agar aap ye kah doge k allah mahdood hai ya laa mahdood to aapko khatra hai k aaap mera haq me bolne wale ho haina 

agar aapko is baat ka khof nahi hai k aapka jawab mere muwafiq ja sakta hai to bataye k allah mahdood hai ya laa mahdood

aqida sambhaliye apna ab aap jo allah ko kisi makan par le jakar bitha deta hai or zaban kuch kahti hai or sabit kuch hota hai

allah arsh par haiapka dawa
arsh mahdood hai ya laa mahdood jispar allah hai agar arsh mahdood or allah la mahdood to bhi allah arsh se bahar bhi hua arsh par hote hue

agar allah arsh par hai to allah bada hi kahoge na arsh se

to allah se chota arsh allah bada
to allah arsh par bhi hua or allah arsh se bahar bhi hua kyu

point

to zahir hai arsh mahdood makan hai

to sawal hai allah mahdood hai ya laa mahdood ??? ise hal karo agar aaap na samajh nahi ho to
[5:30pm, 18/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: to pata chala aapko apna aqida jisne allah ko makan par jaa bithaya or sab jagah se kharij kar diya

then
mene dawa likha
dalail diye
sath me allah arsh par hai ka jawab bhi diya ye kahkar k allah ko arsh par na manne wala kafir hai
to agar mera radd aapki suport karta hai to batao k mene kaha likha k allah sirf arsh par gai taki aap mere us cmnt ko apni suport me use kar sake

mere dawe k aitbar se allah har jagah padhen aap har jagah se agar arsh karij hai to mera suport aapko jata hai

or agar arsh har jagah me aata hai to aapki khusi me mithas ki jagah namak mirchi mix hai
aaya kuch aqal sharif me

nahi aayega

mera dawa ek or hai k aap dawa kuch karege or sabit kuch or karege
agar jawad dene se na ghabraye to

warna aise hi sawal se baikaat rahega apka or kuch sabit na kar sakoge
end
[5:46pm, 18/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab sahab:
Aap ko kya ho gaya hai? Bas apni hi hank rahe ho.
Kuch meri bhi suno.
Mera msg padha nahee kya?
Maine likha tha, ke main aap ke sawal ka jawab doonga. Magar aap bajaye naye sawal khade karne ke mera jawab dijiye.

Aap ne to iss par kaan bhi nahee dhara.

Allah la mehdood hai la makaan hai wagaira wagaira saari batein aap akele hi sonch rahe hain. Aap ke zehan mein jo hai wahi haq ho aisa zaruri nahee hai.

Aur suniye, muzhe jhooti khushi nahee chahiye.
Mera dawa: allah arsh par hai.
Aap ne isko mana, aur aap ne issi ke support mein ye bhi kaha ke jo allah ko arsh par na mane wo kafir hai. Bas aap se ye galti ho gayi ke aap ne likha ke ye radd mein hai.

Main aap ko baar baar kehta aa raha hoon ke aap mere aqeede ko mante hi hain, iss ke alawa mazeed aur kuch aqaid hain jin ko aap mante hai. Aur hamara ikhtilaaf yehi hain.

Baat ko idhar udhar le jaane ke bajaye, ya to aap mere sawal ka jawab do, ya fir main aap ke ek sawal ka jawab deta hoon, fir aap mere sawal ka jawab dijiye.
Aap to band ghadi ke kaate ki tarah ek hi sawal par atke huwe hain. Japke main aap ko options bhi de raha hoon. Aisa lag raha hai ke aap sirf khayali bahas karke hi jeetna chahte hain.

Maine jo sawal kiya hai wo bada bunyadi sawal hai.
Raha mera aqeeda allah ko arsh par manane ka, iss mein jo kamzoriyaan hain isko aap baad mein door kijiye.
Wallah batala raha hoon, aap meri islah karenge to zarur app muzhe apni islah karta huwa payenge.

Magar bahas ko tarteeb se to le kar chalo janaab.
[5:46pm, 18/05/2014] Virtual: End
[7:25pm, 18/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: aapne mera cmnt nahi dekha shayad molana vitrul sahab or apni apni gaaye ja rahe hen

mene kitbi clear bat batai jise tum apne suport me samajh bethe

mene kaha aapka dawa hi adhura tha jo ab pura karne ki nakam.koshish me rime pas kar rahe ho

aoka dawa tha k allah arsh par hai to mene man liya k allah arsh par hai to magar jese apne nahi kaha k sirf arsh par hai ya arsh k bahar bhibhai
aise hi.mene kaha k allah arsh par hai or mene ye nahi kaha k arsh se bahar nahi hai

agae mene arsh par hote hue iqrar kiya hota to allah k sirf arsh par hone par.me aapka suport karta

jis tarah aap apne sawalnko buniyadi samajhte hen to mera bhi buniyadi hai

aapka dawa hai
allah arsh par hai

arsh par hai ya sirf arah par kya ye buniyadi sawal nahi lagta aapko?
kyu k apke dawe me ye baat nahi aai to dawa kya hai hame samjhaoge na ?
kya samjhana chahte ho hame allah k arsh par hone se
1ye k allah arsh par hai ?
2, ya ye k sirf arsh par hai
wazeh karen jawab apne dawe ko

to jab dawa pahla aapka tha to pahle clearity kiski taraf se hogi
meri ya aapki?

ab aaiye bahas ki tartib par
dawa jawab e dawa likhne k baad mene dalail dale

chahiye tha apko radd karna ya fir se sawal dohrana
just tartib

agar tartib ise kahte hen k bina radd k sawalnkiye jaye to
sawal aap par qayam hona lazmi aata hai k aapka dawa hamari samajh me aaye hi na k allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par dekhe tartib sikh len ab mujhse

mujhe pata hai aap kahoge mujhe mat sikhaiye tartib
me nahi kahuga apse tartib sikhne ki to wo kahega jo debate kar hi nahi raha …..ji sahab

or rahi ye baat k me kgayali bahas se jitna chahta hu to mujhe har jeet ki parwah nahi
alhamdulillah
har jeet ki parwah wo karega jo aalim hokar ek gher aalim k sawalo se mantiki bahas se farari chahta hai yaha to saf bat hai
agar apko.mere daqe me zat wali bat saf nahi bazar aati
to mujhe apke dawe me sirf arsh par hone ki baat nazar nahi aati

to jese mene moqa diya tha k aapke dawe me kuch or bhi likhna hai

to aapko bhi chahiye tha ek batmr puchna k aapka dawa pura hua

pata chala moqa hamari taraf se hai
or aap alimbhokar foran pakad ki taiyari me hai bina moqa diyepoint
[7:41pm, 18/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: to jaanab grp k membaran samat farmaye

inke grp me aane se lekar ab tak ki farari or hamare diye gaye moqe ki fahrist

1inke yaha aate hi ek topic diya gaya inki kitab ka inhone uase jaan bacha li or hamari taraf se moqa diya gaya topic change karne ka

2 ain allah par apne do usool se nikal kar 4 pqr aane k liye pure zor laga diye inhone magar sabit kuch bhi na kar sake apne usool

3 ain allah k dawe par inhe do moqe mike daqe k complet karne k liye jispar jawab aaya k ye aqida pura hai or mujhe kuch nahi likhna

4 or mene apna dawa diya
fir radd likha jisko ye aona suport samajh bethe nadani me jiska jawab mene upar de diya hai k kiski suport kar raha hai mera radd

5,fir mene dalail diye apne dawe par jiska.mene radd manga ti radd ki jagah ulta sawal aaya k zat k aitbar se gai allah har jagah ya nahi
kyu kninhe mere dawe me aitraz hua k mene zaat lafz nahi likha

thik hai agar mene lafz e zaat nahi likha ao e dawe me to aaone arsh par ya sirf arsh par nahi lijha jisse dawa clear nahi hota
to dawa inka tha mujhse pahle isliye apne dawe ki islah inpar lazim aai.mujhse pahle

mene dawa badme likha is liye mere dawe ki islaah mujhpar baad me lazim aayegi

is liye inka sawal ka haq nahi banta mere dawe par aitraz k liye

mera pahle banta hai

dekha aapne dosto
kitni jagah aisi hain jaha sirf apni chalai gai hai
ir hamne mani bhi hai
so at last me jo kah raha hu sun ne khoob samajh dari khol kar

Ap yaha khoob takkar marte rahen

me apne dawe ki islaah aapke baad hi karuga
jiska dawa pahle hoga wahi islah pahle karega

me bahot maanta aaya hu piche se aapki baten
ab wo zamana gaya

aap rukna chahe ruke aona dawa clear karke

jana chahe jaayen agar dawa clear na karna ho to

no problm

dusri baat jis tarah aap out off home rahte ho na bhai

aapko ek salah deta hu
aap kabhi bhi kisi ko chalange karen na to likha kare usme k me beech beech me do teen din ko ghayab rahta hu jab debate ho rahi hogi uswaqt

or jis shadi me jaye waha shadio ki rasm wa riwaz k khilaf zarur dawat dena meri taraf se
END
[6:18pm, 22/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab bhai:

Sab se pehle aap ko ye bata doon ke maine socha tha iss masale ko 1 ya 2 dinn mein khatam kar dein. Masala ya to aap ke haq mein ho jaata ya mere haq mein.
Ye to tab hota jab aap seedha seedha chalte. Magar mamala yahaan aisa nahee dikh raha hai.
Ab maine socha hai ke main aap ke saath iss topic par ek saal baat karoonga. Yaad rahe eeeeek saal.

“aapne mera cmnt nahi dekha shayad molana vitrul sahab or apni apni gaaye ja rahe hen

mene kitbi clear bat batai jise tum apne suport me samajh bethe

mene kaha aapka dawa hi adhura tha jo ab pura karne ki nakam.koshish me rime pas kar rahe ho

aoka dawa tha k allah arsh par hai to mene man liya k allah arsh par hai to magar jese apne nahi kaha k sirf arsh par hai ya arsh k bahar bhi bhai
aise hi.mene kaha k allah arsh par hai or mene ye nahi kaha k arsh se bahar nahi hai

agae mene arsh par hote hue iqrar kiya hota to allah k sirf arsh par hone par.me aapka suport karta”


Shahab sahab, aap bohat badi galat fehmi mein hain ke mera dawa adhoora hai aur main poora karne ki nakaam koshish kar raha hoon. Apni galt fehmi door kijiye. Mera dawa aur aqeeda pehle bhi poora tha aur ab bhi poora hai.
Raha sawal ke maine mere dawe mein ye kyun na kaha ke allah sirf arsh par hai?
Aap ke iss sawal se aap ye samazhte hain ke aap ne mera support nahee kiya. Ye bhi aap ki galat fehmi hai.

Aap ne mere aqeede ke radd mein (ba qaule aap) ye aqeedea likha hai:
“K jo allah ko arsh par na mane wo kafir hai”.
Janab ab bhi keh raha hoon, ye jumla mere support mein hai. Agar ye mere radd mein hota to ye aqeeda iss tarah hota,
“K jo allah ko SIRF arsh par mane wo kafir hai.”

Agar sirf lafz ki itni hi ahmitayat hai to aisa aqeeda rakho, tab jaake aap ka jumla mere radd mein hoga. Yaqeen jano, aap marr jayenge magar aisa aqeeda yahaan nahee likh sakte. Agar likh sakte hain to main intezaar kar raha hoon.

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“jis tarah aap apne sawalnko buniyadi samajhte hen to mera bhi buniyadi hai

aapka dawa hai
allah arsh par hai

arsh par hai ya sirf arah par kya ye buniyadi sawal nahi lagta aapko?
kyu k apke dawe me ye baat nahi aai to dawa kya hai hame samjhaoge na ?
kya samjhana chahte ho hame allah k arsh par hone se
1ye k allah arsh par hai ?
2, ya ye k sirf arsh par hai
wazeh karen jawab apne dawe ko”


Main kya samazhana chah raha hoon ye aap ko achche se samazh mein aa raha hai.

Mera to dawa aur aqeeda yehi hai ke allah arsh par hai yani arsh par mustawi hai (jaisa ke maine apne dawe mein likha hai).
Agar aap islam ki istelahein samazh sakte hain to batao mustawi kise kehte hain? Mustawi lafz khud bata raha hai ke allah arsh par hai yani sirf arsh par hai.
(Sure TAHA. Ayat no. 5 utha kar dekhiye.)
——————————

“to jab dawa pahla aapka tha to pahle clearity kiski taraf se hogi
meri ya aapki?”


Meri taraf se pehle hi dawa clear hai, sirf aap jaise na samazh ke liye muzhe sirf uski tauzeeh karni padhi.
Yaad rahe, maine kabhi ye nahee kaha ke mera dawa adhoora hai, magar aap ne kaha hai, to ab zaruru apne dawe poora kijiye. Khaas taur par mere sawal ka jawab de kar.
—————————

“ab aaiye bahas ki tartib par
dawa jawab e dawa likhne k baad mene dalail dale

chahiye tha apko radd karna ya fir se sawal dohrana
just tartib”


Janab, baat cheet se to aap achchi aqal ke malik nazar aate hain. Magar ye kya aap to kuch bhi likhe jaa rahe hain.
Aap ne likha
” dawa jawab e dawa likhne k baad mene dalail dale”
Kitna bada jhoot bole rahe hai aap. Aise lag raha hai jaise sooraj ko aina dikhana. Bilkul safed jhoot.
Daleel ke liye aap apni hi pic dekhiye. Uss post mein aap ne dawa likha aur apne dawe ke dalail bhi ussi post mein de dale. Jab ke hona ye chahiye tha ke main dawa likhata, fir aap dawa likhate, fir main daleel deta fir aap daleel dete. Magar aap ne to ek step hi kha gaye. Ghabra gaye ke kahein mamala gadbad na ho jaye. Apne fauran dawa likha aur ussi post mein daleel bhi de di. Maine aap ke dawe ka jawab diya hi nahee to “dawa jawabe dawa fir dalail” ka kya matlab hai?.

Jab ke hamari baat issi tarah tayy huwi thi ke dono fareeq sab se pehle sirf dawa likhenge. Subut ke taur par chahiye to main aap hi ke post scan deta hoon.
————————–

“agar tartib ise kahte hen k bina radd k sawalnkiye jaye to
sawal aap par qayam hona lazmi aata hai k aapka dawa hamari samajh me aaye hi na k allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par dekhe tartib sikh len ab mujhse

mujhe pata hai aap kahoge mujhe mat sikhaiye tartib
me nahi kahuga apse tartib sikhne ki to wo kahega jo debate kar hi nahi raha …..ji sahab”


Janab, mere aur aap ke darmiyan aqeede ka faraq hai aur issi wajah se bahas bhi ho rahi hai to mera dawa aap ki samazh mein kaise aayeg?. Ye samazhane ke liye hi to bahas ki ja rahi hai.
Mera to ye manana hai ke bahas mein aalim aur gair alin mein faraq nahee karna chahiye. Ek gair aalim bhi ek madarse se farig aalim se ziyada ilm rakh sakta hai.
Main aap se tarteeb zarur sikhata agar aap smazhdari ki baatein karte to.
Maine mere dawe par sirf aap ke dili itminan ke liye uski wazahat kar di hai. Ab aap par hai apne dawe hi wazahat karna aur mera sirf ek chota sa sawal hai uska jawab dena.
——————————

“or rahi ye baat k me kgayali bahas se jitna chahta hu to
mujhe har jeet ki parwah nahi
alhamdulillah
har jeet ki parwah wo karega jo aalim hokar ek gher aalim k sawalo se mantiki bahas se farari chahta hai yaha to saf bat hai”


Aap fir yahaan par palti mar rahe hain. Aap ka talluq kya kisi political party se hai?
Agar ap ko haar jeet ki parwah na hoti to aap ke sharait mein “shikasht” lafz ka istemaal hi na hota. Kaheen aisa to nahee ke ye lafz sirf aap ke mukhalif maslak aur jamaat ke liye istemaal huwa hai?
Main aap se farar hone ki koshish nahee kar raha hoon. Ye to waqt hi batayega ke kaun farar hona chahta hai.
Bahas mein aalim aur gair aalim ka faraq maine uper batala diya hai zara gaur se padhein. Mera to ye manana hai ke aap gair aalim hote huwe bhi kisi aalim se bahas aur munazare mein jeet sakte hain. Kyunki ilm kisi sanad ki wajah se nahee aata wo to mehnat aur allah ki taufeeq se aata hai.
—————————-

“agar apko.mere daqe me zat wali bat saf nahi bazar aati
to mujhe apke dawe me sirf arsh par hone ki baat nazar nahi aati

to jese mene moqa diya tha k aapke dawe me kuch or bhi likhna hai

to aapko bhi chahiye tha ek batmr puchna k aapka dawa pura hua”


Muzhe sirf aap ke dawe mein kami nazar aa rahi hai. Itna hi nahee bohat saari quran aur sahee ahadith ke khilaf bhi hai aap ka dawa. Aur janab aap ye kya bachchaun jaisi batein kar rahe hain ke muzhe aap se poochana chahiye tha ke aap ka dawa poora huwa ya nahee. Janab aap ne muzhe mauqa diya hi kahaan ke main aap se poochata. Aapn ne ek hi post mein saara artcile hi likh dala. Jiss mein dawa bhi aa agaya aur uss ke dalail bhi. Ab koi banda aap se ye kaise pooch sakta hai ke aap ka dawa poora huwa ya nahee?. Agar aap sirf dawa likhate shayad ye mauqa muzhe mill jata.
————————-

“pata chala moqa hamari taraf se hai
or aap alimbhokar foran pakad ki taiyari me hai bina moqa diyepoint”


Sahee kaha aap ne. Main to aap ko ek ya 2 dinn mein free karna chahata tha. Iss liye fauran topic close karna chahta tha. Maagar kya karein aap ko seedha chalana pasand nahee hai. Theek hai koi baat nahee. Main bhi dekhata hoon aap kab takk ulta chalte hain.
————————

“to jaanab grp k membaran samat farmaye

inke grp me aane se lekar ab tak ki farari or hamare diye gaye moqe ki fahrist”


Main jaan booj kar aap ki di huwi fehrist hazaf kar raha hoon. Iss se mera jawabi post kaafi lamba ho jayega.
Behre haal, aap ne jahaan kaheein bhi muzhe mauqa diya hai kuch khushi se nahee diya. Aap majboor ho gaye the aur aap ke paas koi chare kaar na tha. Aur waise bhi aap fizul aur bekar ki cheezaun par aap ne apna waqt zaya kiya hai. Aap ko to mera shukar manana chaiye ke maine aap ko fizul aur bekar ki cheezaun se nikal kar ek khaas aur aham mauzun par le aaya.
—————————–

“so at last me jo kah raha hu sun ne khoob samajh dari khol kar

Ap yaha khoob takkar marte rahen

me apne dawe ki islaah aapke baad hi karuga
jiska dawa pahle hoga wahi islah pahle karega

me bahot maanta aaya hu piche se aapki baten
ab wo zamana gaya

aap rukna chahe ruke aona dawa clear karke

jana chahe jaayen agar dawa clear na karna ho to

no problm”


Chalo janab theek hai mera dawa maine uper uski wazahat kar di hai magar yaad rahe ye wazahat sirf aap ke liye hai warna mera dawa aur aqeeda poora hai.
Main aap ke group ko chore kar na joonga aur na hi aap muzhe remove karenge. Bhale hi aap ki kitni bhi khwahish kyun ho. Muzhe koi kaam adhoora karne ki aadat nahee hai.
————————-

“dusri baat jis tarah aap out off home rahte ho na bhai

aapko ek salah deta hu
aap kabhi bhi kisi ko chalange karen na to likha kare usme k me beech beech me do teen din ko ghayab rahta hu jab debate ho rahi hogi uswaqt”


Shahab bhai ab to muzhe aur bhi yaqeen ho gaya hai ke aap ko common sense nahee hai tabhi to aise non-sense wali baat karte hain. Janab ye whatsapp ka debate, debate ke dauran koi aap ke ghar par aa kar khana nahee mangega. Agar aap insan hain to aap ko aisi raye deni hi nahee chaiye thi.
—————————–

“or jis shadi me jaye waha shadio ki rasm wa riwaz k khilaf zarur dawat dena meri taraf se
END”


Aap ke iss jumle mein aap ka dawat ka jazba nazar aa raha hai muzh par koi tanz nahee. Warna main iska bhi jawab de deta.
Waise bhi main aahamdulillah gair islami rasm wa riwaj ke khilaf dawat ka kaam karta hi rehta hoon aur aap ki taraf se yaad dhahani ke liye shukriya.
Aap bhi kaam karte rahiye main bhi kaam karte rehta hoon.
[6:21pm, 22/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab bhai:
1. Aap bhi isi tarah mere ek ek point ko cover karte huwe mera jawab dena.

2. Agar aap ka jawabi post raat 9.00 (India) se pehel aata hai to main zarur jawab doonga. Agar aisa nahee huwa to aap jawab dijiye, main iska jawab saturdaye ki subah ko doonga.

…END…
[6:23pm, 22/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: mujhe aapka dawa samajh nahi aaya molana vitrul

aapne kaha k allah arsh par hai

main isme ye tay nahi kar pa raha hu k aapne ye kaha hai k allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par hai

mujhe samjhaye apna dawa
end
[6:28pm, 22/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab bhai ye bohat galat baat hai.
Maine apne post mein aap ko achche se samazhaya hai. Magar aap ne poora post padha hi nahee. Warna aap ko aap ke sawal ka jawab mill jaata.

Aur yaad rakhiye, aap munazara kar rahe hain, muzh se kuch seekhane ke liye nahee aaye hain. Aur waise bhi main bahas ke dauran fareeqe mukhalif ko ilm nahee deta.

Fir se ek baar mera post padhiye janaab.

…END…
[6:34pm, 22/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: aap apna dawa nahi samjhayege nazreen ko

nazreen aapka dawa nahi samajh rahe hen chaho to puch sakte ho molana

mene apki post khoob dekh li hai

or me sidha masle par aana chahta hu

agar apjo meri lambi lambi post hi pasand hain to me wo bhi de sakta hu

magar nazreen or main aapka dawa nahi samjh rahe k aap kya kah rahe hen apne dawe me

1allah arsh par hai
2allah sirf arsh par hai

agar aap iska khulasa kar denge hazrat to insha allah aapjo ek saal intizaar ki nobat nahi aayegi or me bhi bata dunga k allah zat k aitrmbar se har jagah hai ya kis aitbar se hai

jaldi karen hazrat aap ek saal kahte hen
main kahta hu qayamat aa jayegi or debate yahi atki rahegi
ek sal to bahot chota kaha aapne
end
[6:39pm, 22/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab bhai:
Hum yahhan kisi TV chenal par debate nahee kar rahe hain.
Main kisi nazireen ko nahee janata. Main yahaan sirf aap ko janta hoon.

Maine aap ke sawal ka jawab mere post diya hai fir aap ko mera aqeeda kaise samazh mein nahee aaya. Iss se ye pata chalata hai ke aap ne mera post padha hi nahee hai.
Ek baar fir se koshish kijiye, agar fir bhi na mile to maine uska imag scan de doonga. Magar yaad rahe ye bohat galat baat hai, na insaafi ki baat hai. Aap muzh se to bach sakte hain magar allah se nahee bach sakte.

Main ek ssal nahee, aap ke mutabiq qayamat aane takk baat karunga.
[6:48pm, 22/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: molana vitrul sahab
mene apki post padh li hai aap ko kese yaqin janege iska

apki post me aapne ap e daqe se har tarah bachne ki koshish ki hai ye khulasa na karke k allah arsh par hai se murad kya samjhaya aapne

allah arsh par hai me shubah hai k arsh k sath kahi or bhi hai

isliye aapse kaha ja raha hai k aap agar ise accept nahi kafna chahte to likh den k allah sirf arsh par hai

problm.kya aai apko aisa karne me

or bhai me allah se nahi bach sakta to aap bache hue honge shayad aisa shubha wala dawa karke hiska matlab hi saf nahi ho raha

or main aapko matlab saf karke batane wala hu k allah zat k aitbar se hai ya kis aitbar se

magar munhe intizar hai first aapke dawe k clear hone ka

aapne iska khulasa kiya nahi.mene apke aitraz ka jawab diya nahi

is hath de den us hath le len

wajah ye hai k dawa first aapka likha gaya naa ki mera
or apko.mere dawe par aitraz hua isi liye aap uska khulasa mang rahe ho

to aapke sare cmnts aap par wapas jate hain k ye tv chanel nahi chal raha act,,,,,,
main bhi kahta hu k tv chanel nahi chal raha jo aapko samjhau k allah zat k aitbar se hai ya kis aitbar se har jagah
[6:50pm, 22/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: end
[7:03pm, 22/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab bhai:
Tum se bahas karne ke liye ek saal isi liye lagane wala hai ke tum sirf samane wale saare khulase chahate ho. Ek khulasa mill bhi jaya to fir aage tumhari yahi maang rahegi ke khulasa poora nahee huwa iss liye main khulasa nahee karoonga.
Ye koi baat nahee huwi bhai.

Achcha ek kaam karo,
Tum apna sawal dalo, main uska jawab deta hoon, jawab sahee hai ya galat iska faisala baad mein karna, uske baad mere sawal ka jawab de dena aur mere jawab par eateraaz karna aur apna naya sawal bhi khada karna. Fir main tumhare jawab ko ya to maan loonga ya jo eateraaz hoga karoonga. Fir tumhare eateraz ka jawab doonga, aur rumhare naye sawal ka jawab bhi doonga.
Iss tarah hum dono ek dusre ko khulasa dete huwe jayenge.
Warna aap ke mutabiq to sirf main mujrim hoon, aur muzhe kathare mein khada kiya gaya hai aur sirf muzhe hi khulasa karna hai, aisa sahee nahee.
[7:05pm, 22/05/2014] Virtual: Batao bhai kya karna hai?

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[7:23pm, 22/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: molana vitrul
bhai aap samne wale k sare khulase chahte ho

apka sawal
mera jawab
nahi bhai main sirf ek bat ka khulasa chahta hu k aapka dawa mujhe wazeh karke bataden

mashkook tariqe se parhez karte hue

main to pahle hi kah chuka hu apko qayamat tak ka waut karna hoga agar clear karna nahi jante to
ek sak bahot chota hai

main aapje jate waqt bhi kah chuka tha k aap yaha sar patakhte rahe to mera dawa zat k aitbar se hai ya kis aitbar se ye main clear nahi karuga

jabtak k aap ka khulasa ha.e na mil jaye

agar ye tv chanel hita to aapko or sambhal kar jawab dena hita molana vitrul sahab
kyu k aap alim hain

shukr mane k ye tv chanel nahi hai
sirf hamare 40 se ziyada nazreen hai

to aap jan gaye hinge k munazra nazreen k samne hi hota hai

or munazir hi kuch samajhne k liye munazra karte hen to akele me kyu nahi karte  kyu munaziro ko nazreen ko zarurat hoti hai munazre k liye

main samajhta hu k munazra nazreen ko samjhane k liye hi kiya jata hai taki awaam jan sake k kis jagah awaam ko dhoke me rakha ja raha hai

or main hi nahi har munazir jo haq hai k awaam k sath kya dhoka kiya ja raha hai uska khulasa khud usi k daqe se karaya jaye

aapko yaha se jane se oahle bhi ikhtiyar diya gaya tha k jawab aaoka pahle aayega apke dawa pahle likhe jane k hisab se

mera dawa baad me likha gaya so aapko aitraz ka haq banta hai
magar mere aitraz k hal karne k bad

ab aap khud jaan sakte hen k aapko kya karna hai

awaam ko dhoje me rakhna hai ye kahkar k allah arsh par haijo mashkook dawa hai
jiska khulasa ye bhi hota haiallah arsh par hai or bahar bhi
mashkook hone ki dusri shakl ye hai
allah arsh par hai
yani aap ye kahna chahte ho k sirf arsh par hai iske alawa kahi nahi

or aap khud ye bhi sabit karne lagege jab dalail ki bari aayegi k allah aasman me hai

ye tamam baten mashkookiyat ki taraf le jati hai awaam ko

jiska khulasa sirf hai hai k
1,aap likhe allah arsh par hone se murad sirf arsh par hona hai
2,allah arsh par hone se muraad arsh se bahar hona bhi hai

dono option aapke samne hai molana vitrul sahab
iski clearity aapke zimme lazim aa rahi hai
or aap isse door chale gaye hain

awaam muntazir gai hazrat aap in dono me se koi ek khulasa vhun len jo apke dawe k muwafiq ho
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[8:16pm, 22/05/2014] Virtual: “molana vitrul
bhai aap samne wale k sare khulase chahte ho

apka sawal
mera jawab
nahi bhai main sirf ek bat ka khulasa chahta hu k aapka dawa mujhe wazeh karke bataden”

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Shahab bhai aap ko smaazh mein aa raha hai kya aap muzh se kya chah rahe hain.
Agar aap ke sawal ka jawab dena hota to main de deta. Magar aap ki mang kuch iss tarah hai ke aap ne muzh se kaha quran padh kar dikhao, maine kaha theek hai, maine quran ki chand aaytein padh kar sunayi. Aap ne fir yehi kaha ke quran padhane ke liye kaha gaya hai na ke koi adhoori baat.
Asal mein aap muzhe poora quran ek saath sunana chahte hain bilkul waise hi jaise yahaan aap ki mang hai ye keh kar ke,
” ek bat ka khulasa chahta hu k aapka dawa mujhe wazeh karke bataden”
Janab mera dawa wazah karte karte 1 saal guzar jayega fir bhi aap yehi kahenge ke aap ka dawa wazah nahee huwa, aap ne to sirf uss mein se ek baat kahi hai. Wah re aap ki samazh…!

“mashkook tariqe se parhez karte hue”

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Janab uper ke post mein maine mere dawe ki daleel di hai sure TAHA ki aayat no. 5. Kya aap ko quran ki aayat bhi mashkook nazar aati hai. Ab jisko quran ki aayat na samazh mein aaye usko mera dawa kya samazh mein ayega.
Allah kahaan hai (Ain allah) ke talluq se quran kehta hai:
{الرحمن على العرش استوى} [طه : 5]
Yani Rohman ARSH par mustawi hai.

Iss se bhi ziyada khulasa kya chahiye?.

“mera dawa zat k aitbar se hai ya kis aitbar se ye main clear nahi karuga”

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Aap clear kar bhi nahee sakte, kyun ye aap ki limit hai. Agar aap ne clear kar diya to munazara yehi khatam ho jayega aur aap ka dogla aqeeda awwam ke samane aa jayega.

“awaam ko dhoje me rakhna hai ye kahkar k allah arsh par haijo mashkook dawa hai
jiska khulasa ye bhi hota haiallah arsh par hai or bahar bhi
mashkook hone ki dusri shakl ye hai
allah arsh par hai
yani aap ye kahna chahte ho k sirf arsh par hai iske alawa kahi nahi

or aap khud ye bhi sabit karne lagege jab dalail ki bari aayegi k allah aasman me hai

ye tamam baten mashkookiyat ki taraf le jati hai awaam ko

jiska khulasa sirf hai hai k
1,aap likhe allah arsh par hone se murad sirf arsh par hona hai
2,allah arsh par hone se muraad arsh se bahar hona bhi hai”

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Allah kahan hai maine iski daleel bhi di hai aur mera dawa koi mashkook dawa nahee hai, ye to sirf aap ko eateraz karna hai iss liye iss ko mashkook banane ke mazmoom koshish kar rahe ho.

Mashkook dawa kise kehte hain aayiye main aap ko bata hoon.
App ka dawa hai:
“ALLAH HAR JAGAH HAI”
Yani iska matlab ye bhi ho sakta hai ke qaynat mein aisi koi jagah hai hi nahee jahan allah na ho, yani ye poori qaynat (nauzubiilah) allah ho gayi. Ye to dehriyat ka aqeeda hai.
Allah har jagah hai yani nauzubiilah kya allah har gandi se gandhi jagah par bhi hai? Kya allah har makhlooq mein hai? Agar makhlloq hi allah hai to allah ka wujud kahan raha.? Astagfiruulah
Jiss janwar ko allah ne haram kiya hai wo bhi isi qaynat mein hai kya allah nauzubiilah uss mein bhi hai?
Ye hai aap ka mashkook aqeeda…!

Aap ka aqeeda:
LAA MAHDOOD HAI
Yani allah ki zaat ke liye koi hadd nahee hai. Quran kehta hai ke allah NOOR hai. Ab agar uss noor ki koi hadd nahee hai to saari qaynaat hi noor ho gayi. Hum aur aap bhi noori makhlooq ho gaye. Janab ye sab aqeede barelvi hazrat ko jaa kar sunayein kam az kam wo to khush ho jayenge. Aur aap ko gale lagayenge. Waise bhi aap mein aur unn mein aqeede ke eatebaar se koi faraq bhi nahee hai. Sirf naam ka faraq hai.
Agar saari makhlooq noori hai to nabi s.a.w. ko noor manane mein aap ko kya pareshani hai?. Wah janab apne aap ko noor to sabit karte hain magar nabi ko noor nahee man sakte?
nauzubiilah jab wo noor LA MEHDOOD hai to saari qaynaat noori ho gayi.
Ye hai aap ka mashkook aqeeda.

Aap ka Aqeeda:
LA MAKAN HAI

Jhoot, sara sarr jhoot. Quran kehta hai allah ARSH par mustawi hai aur aap kehte hain wo kahein hai hi nahee? Aap kehna kya chahte hain, allah ka wujud hai ya nahee? Jiska wujud hoga wo kahein na kaheein hoga, aur aap ka kehna hai allah kahein hai hi nahee nauzubiilah kyunki uska koi makkan hi nahee hai.

Aap ka aqeeda:
JISM SE PAAK HAI

Jo noor ho uss ko jisam ka tasawwur hi sahee nahee hai. Aap ka koi nayee baat suna rahe ho kya?

Aap ka aqeeda:
JEHAT SE PAAK HAI

Jo noor hai uss par JEHAT ka sawal kaise khada ho sakta hai.

Janab apni mann mane aqaid likhane ke bajaye wo aqaid likhate to quran aur sahee ahadith mein aayein hain to baat samazh mein aati.

Aap ka to saara aqeeda hi mashkook hai, oh sorry aise ghinawne aur gandhe aqeede ko mashkook kehan khud mashkook lafz ki tauheen hogi.

Aap ke haar sawal ka jawab de diya gaya hai, baraye karam awwam muntazir hai ke aap bhi kuch zehmat uthayein aur hamre sawal ka jawab dein.

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[8:28pm, 22/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: mashghool

[8:30pm, 22/05/2014] Virtual: Ok…koi baat nahee.
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[5:18pm, 23/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: molana vitrul sahab

main aap se mazrat chahta hu filhal

saudi se india aane ki programing hai meri or transer problm aarahi hai

or meri jagah jis bande ko rakhna hai uski traning bhi mere zimme lag gai hai

isliye aap aisa na kare k apne kisi grp me mere bahana banakar jane ki khabre fela den ya bhagne ki baat kahden

kyu k mere pas kuch pics mil chuki hain aapki
jisko main dikhana bahtar nahi samajhta yaha
kyu k ham maqsad se hatkar fizool me fas jayege usse
or jab bat sach jhut ki aayegi to dikha bhi dunga insha allah

halanke mene aapke jane se koi problm zahir nahi ki insaan hai mashghuliyat ho bhi sakti hai

then mujhe ye kahna hai k mujhe thik se waqt nahi mil raha hai aane ka

to agar aap mere kisi sathi se tahi se debate karna chahe to kar aakte hen mujhe problm nahi hogi

aapko problm ho to mere aane ka wait karna hoga
[5:28pm, 23/05/2014] D Shahzad. khan: Bhai ap kabtak free ho jayenge ke bat age badhe ap ki or virtual ki ye waqt taye karlen q k bat ka khulasa sub k samne hi chahe ap kitne hi din le magar bat ko mukammal zarur kare 
[5:33pm, 23/05/2014] D Shahzad. khan: Aur ap ye likhde ke me kuch din ya hafte ya mahene bad bat karunge take dusre membars bat kar sake or sub ko apni apni bat karne ki ijazat de de
[5:35pm, 23/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: ji

bhai meri teen problms hain

1, meri jagah dusre bande ki traning mere zimme lagi hai kal se jo bilkul new banda hai
iski traning ko kamaz kam ek hafta lagega
2,iske baad mera transfer ka masla hai jo is beech me kabhi bhi order aane k chanse hai
paper jama kiye hen mene kal isko bhi aaj se ek hafta tak hine k chanse hain
3,or iske baad mujhe foran india ki ticket nikalni hai fir to whats app me aane ka chanse hi nahi hai india aane tak
india aakar bhi logo se milna julna yaha waha aana jana kamaz kam ek ek hafte se 2 hafte tak ja sakte hen

ab meri samajh nahi aa raha k kya waqt batau me debATe ka

dusra te hai k us hafte me me kabhi bhi aona jawab de sakta hu

madhghool hua to nahi de sakuga

isi liye mene dusre sathi se debate ki bola hai mera allah janta hai k mere nafs ka isme koi dakhal nahi hai k me debate se nikal jaau

balki mujhe debaTe me bi fazlillah khoob intrust hai
[5:36pm, 23/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: agar me kisi shadi me ya umra ya kahi program me jata to mera waqt batana bhi mumkin ho jata
[5:39pm, 23/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: or me samajhta hu k molana vitrul ko debTe se koi problm.nahi honi chahiye
kyu k masla ek hi hai ain allah

main apne sathinki kisi cmnts se ye kahkar picha nahi churauga k ye meri cmnt nahi hai

jo uski cmnts hogi wo hi meri hongi

magar mera kahna ab bhi wahi hai k agar vitrul sahab bat mujgse hi karna chahte hen to mujhe problm nahi hai bas wait karna hoga
[5:40pm, 23/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: ticket lene k bad aane ki taiyari me banda khane pine ki bhi parwah nahi kar pata bhai

ti whts ap kese chalayega

kyu k bahot se kaam use set karne hote en aapne aane se pahle
[5:43pm, 23/05/2014] D Shahzad. khan: Bhai ap ko mene kaha ke ap kitna bhi waqt le le aur waqt lene ke bad bhi ap masruf hote ho to waqt age badha sakte hai ye zarure na k bol diya to karna lazem hai lekin bat apse virtual ki bahut zarure hai chahe jitna wsqt lage hum intezar karenge

[12:12pm, 24/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab sahab:

1. Aap ke msgs padha. Aap ki bataun se muttafiq to hoon, magar jaan booj kar yaqeen nahee karna chahta.
Aap ke msg padh kar aisa lagta hai jaise aap aaj ke baad kabhi whatsapp use nahee karenge. Aur ye mumkin nahee hai. Shahzaad bhai urf rauf khan ne bhi sahee baat kahi thi. Aap ko mohlat to mil sakti hai magar chutkara nahee mil sakta.

Aap kab tak free honge ye zarur batayein, wo muddat batayein jis ka intezaar ho sakta hai aur jiss mein hum dono ka jazbay-e-munazara baaqi rahe. Jaise 2 hafta, ya 1 mahina, iss se ziyada nahee.

2. Bhai yaqeen karo, main tumhari halat kharab karne wala hoon kyunki tum khud ho kar tum ne muzhe challange kiya hai. Tumhara challenge saleem khan mobile wale ne hamare group mein post kiya tha. Aap ko to yaad hi hoga muzhe scan dene ki zarurat nahee hai.
Aur dusri baat, tumhare add hone ke baad saleem khan (jinn ko tum par bohat bharosa hai) ne kaha tha ke “virtual ab teri khatana hone wali hai.”
Lihaza main intezar karoonga ke tum kab meri munazare mein khatana karoge. Aur suno, sunn kar yaqeen kar lo, tum meri khatana karo ya na karo, main to tumhari khatana zarur karne wala hoon. Insha allah, mere se munazara karne ke baad fir tum kabhi kisi se munazara karne ke layaq nahee rahoge. Ye mera gurur aur ghamand nahee hai ye ek haqeeqat hai. Tumhare ilm aur mantiq ki haqeeqat mere samne kuch nahee hai, yani ki tumhari auqaat mere samane kuch nahee hai. Yaqeen na aaye to aazma ke dekh lena, aur iss bahas ko jari rakhana. 2 dinn mein ek msg karna koi mushkil kaam nahee hai fir bhi khair main tumhara uzr qubul karta hoon.

3. Jab tak tum mashgool raho, tum chaho to dunya mein se kisi ko bhi mere muqabale mein le kar aa sakte ho chahe wo aalim ho ya gair aalim. Hamari bahas jiss jagah ruki hai wahein se aage badhegi. Agar tum ko aisa lagata hai ke iss group mein koi qabil member hai to usko baat continue karne ke liye kaho, jaise mere zahan mein kuch log hain jo kuch ziyada hi uchalte hai,
1. Adil khan
2. Idrees (M.A.I.)
3. Khan
4. Taj Khan
Etc.

Tumhare wapas aane takk main inn logaun ka band bajata hoon. Dekhta hoon inn mein kitna dum hai.
Aur suno, muzhe dinge, bhoynga marne ki aadat nahee hai, main aisa hi hoon, aur haqeeqat par baat karta hoon.

4. Aur suno, ain allah, ye koi chota topic nahee hai jise tum easy le rahe ho. Iss talluq se tumahare aqaid hu-bahu barelvi hazrat ki tarah hain, agar wo shirk aur bida’at mein mulawwis hain to yaqeenan tum log bhi mulawwis ho. Yaqeen na aaye to aao main sabit karta hoon. Ain allah (allah kahaan hai) iss talluq se tum log khuli gumrahi mein ho. Allah ke talluq se sahee na janana hi kaafi hai musalman ke liye kufr aur shirk mein mubtala hone ke liye. Tumhara iss talluq se aqeede mein bigad tum ko kafir aur mushrik bana deta hai. Iss liye iss ko chota topic na samazho.
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Tum kab takk aaoge zarur batana. Muddat kya ho sakti hai maine bayan kar diya hai.

Agar meri bataun se kuch gairat jaagi ho to wapas zarur aana.

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[5:51pm, 24/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: assalamu alaikum

dekh liya molana vitul ki haqqaniyat sathio ne usool me badhe rahe to akhlaq se debatr ka drama karte hen i mean aise ban kar dikhate hen jese bade hi saf pak khandan se hain

or jaha dusra uzar karde
to problm aane lagti hai or akhlaq ki capisity tod kar pemana chalakne lagta hai

band bajate rahege molana vitrul sahab ka kahna hai
jabtak k main na aau tab tak

lagta nahi sathio ko k kisi mirasi khandan se pala pafa hai jo band hath me rahta hai harwaqt

abtak kitni shatiyo me band bajaya hai aapne.molana vitrul

or han jesa k aapne kaha k ab rauf sahab sahi kah rahr the
to sahi mashwara dene ka haq to hamne apne sathio ko bhi nahi diya tha jab aapne uzer kiya tha do teen din na aane ka

to bhai jaan
sahi bolne wale ko hi to bhagaya jata hai jo bada musheer banne lage

mere uzar par chahiye tha use k khamosh rahe or apne.munazir k aane ka wait kare

jistarah hamare sathi mere aane ka wait karte hen aapke uzar par

dusri baat aapne mera chalege uthaya hoga

shayad us chalenge me apne ye bhi dekha hoga k aapke chalange ko.mene uthaya tha fir aapne mujhe grp me add kiya tha
to mera chalnge tha hi nahi tumhe pahla

pahla tumhara tha jiska jawabi chalnge mene diya tha aap ko

mene koi chalnge khud se nahi kiya tumhe

dusri baat

agat mera sathi ya apka satji kahr k aapki ya meti khatne kar denge ab

to me is fizool bat se parhez karta hu
or aap is fizool bat ka jawab dene k aadi hai

bat sirf munazir k chalnge or uska jawab hoti hai naa ki beevh walo ko jawab dekar apne ko surma sabit kiya jata hai

the me aapse last yahi kahna chahuga k mere aane ka waqt.me kuch faraghat hone par bata pauga

chutkare ka khayal dil se nikal do aap
mera ye cmnt save karo



↳➛shahab agar aapko chutkara de de is munazre se ya shahab is munazre se chutkara pane k waste farar ho jaye to shahab ka name aap rakh dena jo chaho

save this cmnt

or han agar apko kisi sathi k sath debate me intrust hai to apne pajame me rahkar debate karna

band bajakar mirasi banne ka khab may dekha karo
aap alim ho aapko band bajana ya dholak pitna zeba nahi detaa

shuru kare hanare munazir se debate dayre me rahkar

agar dayre todna hai to abhi se jaa sakte hen aap

dayre me rahoge to bat hoti rahegi aap se
insha allah

bataye baqol aapke k band bajate rahee mere sathio ka

kis topic par debate karege hamare sathi se
yahi hoga topic ya dusra

ya jistarah aap topic choose kare the yaha par apni marzi k mutabiq
kya hamare sathi ko bhi doge ye moqa k wo apni marzi se ap pqr topic dale
[6:27pm, 24/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: or rahi munazre se bhagne ki baat to iski summary to sabke samne hai

tartib dekho
first:- dawa aapka
scnd:- mera dawa
thrd:- apka aitraz mere dawe par
4rth mera aitraz apke dawe par

firat dawa molana vitrul ka jise saf karne ka haq pahla aap hi ka hai

mera dawa baad me aaya to use saf karne ka haq mujhe bad me milega jab aapka diya hua dawa saf ho jaye

ab fesla le sakte hen sathi jesa k rules me likha hai k sidha jawab aane ka do din ka intizar kiya jayeha

or uska jawab kitne din tak nahi aaya
dekh len
[6:29pm, 24/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: ab matam manaye aap.molana apna dawa saf nahi kiya ja raha or lag gaye dalail dene me

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[7:48pm, 24/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab bhai:
Sach batao yaar tum mere msgs padhate bhi ho ya nahee. Aisa iss liye lagata hai ke tumhare msg mein mere msgs ka kahein zikar nahee milta aur bas tum apni hankte rehte ho, jaise ek hi baat ab takk tum kar rahe ho, “apna dawa wazeh karo.” wali baat.
Are bhai dawa wazeh kar diya na, ab kitna karoon, aur ye mang tumhari kab khatab hogi?. Aur kitni wazahat karoon.
Are bhai tum to wo ho jiss ko haar jeet ki parwah nahee hoti, chore do na bahas agar baat karna nahee jam raha hai to. ab kyun harne se ghabara rahe ho. Bas ek hi point par atake huwe ho dawa ka khulasa karo dawe ka khulasa karo basss.
Bhai tum harne se jahannam mein nahee jane wale, fir kyun tension le rahe ho. Aur bilawajah ek baat par ade huwe ho, chore do jane do agar tum ko nahee jamata hai to.
Tum ne jo jo sawal kiye the meine sab ke jawab de diye abhi bhi tumhara yehi kehna hai dawe ko wazeh karo. Kyun band ghadi ke kaate ki tarah ek hi jagah khade ho yaar.

Chalo bhai theek hai agar tumhare hisab ye tarteeb hai
” tartib dekho
first:- dawa aapka
scnd:- mera dawa
thrd:- apka aitraz mere dawe par
4rth mera aitraz apke dawe par”

To bhai jaan, mere dawe par eateraaz karo na yaar. Tum to koi eateraz nahee kar rahe aur bas muzhe se khulasa chah rahe ho. Jabke tumhare saare sawal ka jawab bhi de diya hai maine.

Achcha ek baat batao,
Tumhari tarteeb ke hisab se kya panchwe number par meri baari ayegi ya nahee? Ya fir 4th number par ki gadhi atki rahegi?. Tumhari tarteeb ke jisab se to ab bas tumko hi haq mil gaya hai saare eateraz karne ka. Mera to patta hi saaf hai 3 dinn se. Tum ne to mere kisi bhi eateraz par mooh nahee khola jawab dena to bohat door ki baat ki hai.
Kya munazare se pehle aisa koi usool tayy kiya tha kya ke aakhir mein sirf tum ko hi haqq milega muzh se khulasa chahne ka? ….batao bhai insaf ki baat karo.
Jab munazara ho raha hai to dono fareeq ek dusre ko mutmainn karne ki koshish karenge. Aisa nahee ke ek ko hi mujrim samazha jaye aur ussi se saare khulase liye jayein. Ye kaunsa tareeqa hai baat karne ka?

Agar aap ye mante hain ke maine apna dawa 5% bhi wazeh kiya hai to apni taraf se bhi to aap kuch bolo aur mere eatraz ka jawab do.

Rahi baat matam manane ki, wo to main mana hi raha hoon. Jab se tum se baat kar raha hoon.
Janab ek baat batao, zara apne jumle par gaur karo,
” ab matam manaye aap.molana apna dawa saf nahi kiya ja raha or lag gaye dalail dene me”

Kya dawa dalail diye bagair hi saaf aur wazeh ho sakta hai?

Are janab dawe ko wazeh karne ke liye dalail to dena hi padega na? Bagair daleel ke dawa kaise saaf hoga?

Dekho shahab bhai, maine uper bhi kaha tha ke tumhare jo ishkaal hain pesh karo, main jawab deta hoon, magar ek ek kar ke. Jab main tumhare ek ishkaal ka jawab doon to tum par bhi lazim hai ke tum mere bhi ek ishkaal ka jawab do. Sirf ek tarfa khulasa! Ye baat kuch hazam nahee hoti.

Maine tumhare kayi sawal ke jawab diye, magar tum ne abhi tak mere ek sawal ka bhi jawab nahee diya.

…END…
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[7:59pm, 24/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: debate ruki hui hai end kaha se ho gai bhai jaan

kab se mantik se fere le rahe ho aap pahle aap pahle aap karke

sawal ka haq aoka haibhi nahi jo jawab diya jaye

dawa kiska tha pahle batao aap

to jawab wo kyi dega jisne dawa bad me kiya 

pahle.muddai aone dawa clear karega fir samne wala apna clear karega
[8:01pm, 24/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: saaf ho chuka hai k do din se over ho gaye hen jawab se khali ho aap

aona dawa saaf karo saaf lafzo me jaldi

molana vitrul………….?.jawab
[8:12pm, 24/05/2014] Virtual: Shahab sahab:
Ab to muzhe aur bhi yaqeen hota chala hai ke tum ko baat karni nahee aati.
Aur afsose iss baat par bhi hai ke tum ko meri zuban samazh mein nahee aati.

1. Maine kaha, maine mera dawa wazeh kiya hai
2. Aap ne kaha wazeh nahee hai, fir aap ne kuch sawal kiye, maine unke bhi jawab diye
3. Ab bhi aap ka yahi kehna hai ke dawa wazeh karo, ye kya hai? Aap ka dimag jagah par to hai na?

Chalo tumhare dili itminan ke liye main aur ek baar yahaan likh deta hoon mera dawa, aur uss ko wazeh kar deta hoon.

Mera dawa:
“Allah arsh par mustawi hai.”

Aap ka eateraaz:
Kya sirf arsh par hai?
Mera jawab:
Ji haan sirf arsh par hai.

Fir aap ka eateraz:
Kya arsh ke bahar bhi hai?
Mera jawab:
Ji nahee, wo allah arsh par mustawi hai. Mustawi hona sifate bari ta’a’la me se hai. Iss ko waise hi samazhana chahiye jaise bayan kiya gaya hai (ba qaul sahaba r.a.)
[8:28pm, 24/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: kab tak aise jok marte rahoge bhai

mera sawal khaab me bhi sochna ab

allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par

isse aage aap qayamat ki aubah tak bhi nahi ja sakoge

or apne bhadde cmnts jo upat kiye hai aisa kahke molana  aalim laqab par dhabba na dala kare

mujhe hi nahi sab sathi pere prvt me akar haste hen k ye keaa jahil alim hai jo behoode cmnts deta hai
[12:35pm, 25/05/2014] Virtual: kab tak aise jok marte rahoge bhai

mera sawal khaab me bhi sochna ab

allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par

isse aage aap qayamat ki aubah tak bhi nahi ja sakoge

or apne bhadde cmnts jo upat kiye hai aisa kahke molana  aalim laqab par dhabba na dala kare

mujhe hi nahi sab sathi pere prvt me akar haste hen k ye keaa jahil alim hai jo behoode cmnts deta hai

1. are baap re baap, kya mushkil sawal kar liya tum ne to!, itna khatarnaak sawal, muzhe to ghabrahat shuru ho gayi. oh no ab main kya karoon?
” allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par”
asal baat ye hai ke tum logaun ko table munzara banane aur jeetane ki aadat ho gayi hai. practically dunya mein kya hota hai ye tum logaun ko maloom hi nahee hai.
tum log asal mein ye chahte ho ke tumhara pehla hi sawal rahe aur samne wala dher ho jaye
na aage munazara badhe, na tum ko kuch baat karni padhe. Tum ye chah rahe ho ke tum muzhe issi ek sawal par 2 ya 3 dinn atakake rakh do. taake tum apne logaun mein dum kati lomdi ka chalan chalate huwe ye keh sako ke dekho ek GM ko humne sirf pehle hi sawal par atka diya aur wo uska jawab nahee de paya.
Billi ke khwab mein cheethade.
janab, dinn mein sapane dekhana choro.

shahab sahab, allah ne aqal di hoti to mera jawab kab ka samazh mein aa jata. aap ko mera jawab iss liye samazh mein nahee aa raha kyun ki aap ki aqal mein abhi utna sha’oor paida nahee huwa hai. bilkul ussi tarah jiss tarah ek 4th class ke bachche ko 12th class ka mathematics (Jaise trignometri, calculas ya algorithom ka table) samazh mein nahee aa sakta, kyunki uss ki aqal mein utna sha’oor nahee hota. ab agar wo bachcha ye shikayat kare ke tumhara mathematics wazeh nahee hai to iss mein uss college ke lecturer ki kya galti hai?. Jao shahab sahab, ab uthate baithate, sote sote bhi mere jawab ko samazhne ki koshish karet raho, insha allah tumhari mehnat rang layi to tum mein itna to sha’oor paida ho hi jayega ke tum ye keh sako ke virtual sahab aap ka jawab muzhe clear nahee ho raha magar aap ki baat to durust hai, muzh mein itna sha’oor nahee hai ke aap ke jawab ko samazh sakoon.

janab ab tumhari halat hu-bahi aisi ho gayi jo sone ka natak karta ho, aur shart iss baat par laga rakhi hai ke jo muzhe jagayega wo jeet jayega. are bhai jo so rahe hoon unhein jagana assan hai jo sone ka natak karte hoon unnhein kaise jagaya ja sakta hai. haan albatta ek rasta hai, sone ka natak karne wale ko adab ke dayre se nikal kar aisi jagah chatke diye jayein jo uss ki sab se hissas jagah ho…..

tumhare group mein hi kisi ne ek misal gm ke khilaf post ki thi, ab wo tum par fit ho rahi hai. murgi ki kitni taange hoti hain?. main to kehta hoon 2. magar tum kehte ho 3. logaun ne bohat samazhaya shahab bhai aisa matt kaho aisa matt karo tum har jaoge, murgi ki 2 hi tange hoti hain. to tum ne kaha, main haroonga tab na jab main baat ko maan kar aaghe badhoonga. poora ek hafte se ziyada ho gaye tum aaghe nahee badh rahe, kyunki tum ko manana hi nahee hai.

2. janab, hamare bade bade ulema ki koi hysiyat aur izzat nahee hai tumhari nigah mein to main kya cheez hoon. main to tumhari nigah mein ek VILLIEN hoon. ya shayad muzhe shaitan aur iblees hi samazhte hoonge. to tumhare privateu mein meri tareef ke pul kyun bandhane lage bhala, wo to galiyan hi denge, muzh par hansenge hi. jitne iss group ke member hai sab tumhare chele chapate aur panter log hai. inn ki nigah mein to tum RAAJA ho. Andhaun mein kaana raaja. zahir si baat hai jab 2 aankh wala (yani ek aank quran ki aur ek aank sahee hadith ki) ayega to ye aib aur nuks hi lagega tum logaun ko.
tum inn 40 bewakoofaun ke darmiyan ki baat kar rahe ho aur inn se faisala lene ki, main to 40,000 ke aage tumhari aur meri baat ko rakhane wala hoon. mere ek dost ki website par iss munazare ko upload karne wala hoon. Budh, Jumeraat, juma aur Hafta, 4 dinn guzar gaye, maine kuch to ilmi baat kahi hogi, magar tum ne sirf ek hi ratt laga rakhi hai “khulasa karo.” bas tumhara ek hi post ilmi tha wo tha tumhara pehla article jiss mein tum ne apna aqeeda aur dalail dono ek saath diye the. aur ab tum unn dalail ki taraf aana bhi nahee chahte, kyunki tum ko darr hai ke main tumhare dalail ka kahein sahee mafhhom na samazha doon aur unn dalail se tumhare bhadde aur gande aqeede ki hawa na nikal na jaye.

Mard ke bachche ho to aage badho, muzhe galat sabit karke dikhao. Tum karo ya na karo, main to tum ko galat sabit karoonga.
Bas ek galti na karna, iss group se matt nikalna. Main to kabhi group chorne wala nahee hoon.
Ab waqt hi batayega, ke kaun kya kar sakta hai.
[2:44pm, 25/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: chota sa sawal hi kafi hai bhai molana aapki mazoori dekhne k liye

molana vitrul
are baap re baap ye kaisa sawal kar diya main to ghabra gaya dar lagne lagafir ek or jok

waqai ghabrahat aisi taari hai aap par k itna sa masla hal nahi ho raha k allah arsh par hai ya sirf arsh par

taqiye k siwa chara kya bacaa hai ab

lambi labmi pichkari mar di aone khof zada hone ki jawab na dekar
waah re waah khof zada molana

or han molana aap 40000 me nahi

40,000,000, me bat zarur rakhna taki ake badhawasi wale cmnts bhi duniya dekh sake
or ye bhi dekh sake duniya k ek aalim gher aalim.se kis tarah pesh aata hai jabke wo gm ho

ye bhi dekhe duniya k dawe me hi jaan nikli hui hai to debate ka kya hal hoga aise shakhs ka

ab me aapko in molana k cmnts dikhata hu
jo ye is grp k alawa dinge marte firte hen

sathio hasna ho to akele has lena cmnts me na hasna

or haan ab meri naqal bhi katne lage bhai aap to
aapne ek saal kaha tha mene qayamat taknka waqt diya tha

ab to meri naqal tipne lage aap qayamat wali lolzz

jaao fir se waqt diye apko sar patakh lo or thoda sa

aaj shaam tak apka dawa dekha jayega uske baad itbe din ka sawal aaj tak hal nahi ho saka uski bina par tumto manne wale ho nahi k shikast ho chuki bator rules k

magar qapki badhawasi bata degi sham ko k kiski shikast hui hai

kyu k aap molana vi t rul sahab
jab se yaha aaye ho tabse ulama k naam par kalank bane hue ho

fahsha orto wali zaban sharam gaah tak latka
kar

dosto shaam taknagar molana ne apna dawa clear na kiya to molana out hone wale hain yaha se

or molana mujhe wo web site zarur dena jisme tu.hari mazuri ka nazara duniya k samne ho

molana last moqa hai aoke liye
khub sochlo zabaan latkane se pahle k jawab dena hai yaa aise hi bhongiya bajani hain

agli baat

band baje to aapne qubool kiya tha na k aap bajate ho

to khisiya kat hampar ye laqab kyu daal diya bhaai

mirasi ho aap aapko mubarak ho aapka dhanda

do char shadio k contract or diya dunga bhai taki aapke band bajane me izafa ho jaye lolzzz
[2:44pm, 25/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: agle.msgs vitrul k dekho jisme jhuti jeet se khud hi khush hokar tasalli de lete hain
[2:44pm, 25/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: Kya kahayal hai saleem bhai
Shahab bhai wapas aayenge kya munazara ke liye?
Ya fir aap ko mere msg mein dum nahee dikhata?
[2:45pm, 25/05/2014] Shahab Siddiqui: molana vitrul ki khushi ka thikana lolzzzz
[3:13pm, 25/05/2014] Virtual: Kya baat hai shahab sahab, thak gaye kya?

Muzhe maloom tha, tumhara agala comment kuch aisa hi hoga. Maine mera andaza uper wale msg mein daal diya tha.

Sahee hai bhai, ab tum muzh se aage guftagu kar bhi nahee sakte. Mera wazan sambhale nahee ja raha hai tum se.
Zahir si baat hai ab tum kisi na kisi bahane se muzhe iss group se nikaloge zarur.

Muzhe jeetane ki khushi ya haarne ka gam nahee hai. Muzhe tumhara aadha adhura debate karna pasand nahee aaya.
Tum jaise logaun ke liye hi main aise rawayye se baat karta hoon kyunki tum log kabhi baat ko mukammal nahee karte.

Lagata hai bohat ziyada hi tension aa gaya shahab bhai ko.
Hahahahah